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Will and Testament
I know (or believe I know) that "will and testament" is an example of Saxon and Norman equivalent terms that were joined for the sake of better understanding.
Is there a term for this type of joining of synonyms into a phrase? Also, what are other (especially Saxon/Norman) examples?
Thanks!
Is there a term for this type of joining of synonyms into a phrase? Also, what are other (especially Saxon/Norman) examples?
Thanks!
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[nq:1]I know (or believe I know) that "will and testament" is an example of Saxon and Norman equivalent terms that ... there a term for this type of joining of synonyms into a phrase? [/nq] I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong: devise and bequeath nook and cranny hue and cry goods and chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist John Dean Oxford
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[nq:1]I know (or believe I know) that "will and testament" is an example of Saxon and Norman equivalent terms that ... there a term for this type of joining of synonyms into a phrase? Also, what are other (especially Saxon/Norman) examples?[/nq]
I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong:
devise and bequeath
nook and cranny
hue and cry
goods and chattels
I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong:
devise and bequeath
nook and cranny
hue and cry
goods and chattels
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[nq:2]I know (or believe I know) that "will and testament" ... into a phrase? Also, what are other (especially Saxon/Norman) examples?[/nq]
[nq:1]I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong: devise and bequeath nook and cranny hue and cry goods and chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist[/nq]
"Cease" and "desist" are both via Fr/Lat, I think (at least t
[nq:1]I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong: devise and bequeath nook and cranny hue and cry goods and chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist[/nq]
"Cease" and "desist" are both via Fr/Lat, I think (at least t
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[nq:1]I know (or believe I know) that "will and testament" is an example ofSaxon and Norman equivalent terms that were ... there a term for this type of joining of synonyms into a phrase? Also, what are other (especially Saxon/Norman) examples?[/nq]
Two common sources are legal English (e.g. "I give and bequeathe," "heirs and assigns," etc.) and the 16th century Book of Common Prayer. (An old
Two common sources are legal English (e.g. "I give and bequeathe," "heirs and assigns," etc.) and the 16th century Book of Common Prayer. (An old
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[nq:2]I know (or believe I know) that "will and testament" ... into a phrase? Also, what are other (especially Saxon/Norman) examples?[/nq]
[nq:1]I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong: devise and bequeath nook and cranny hue and cry goods and chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist[/nq]
Thanks! That's just the kind of lis
[nq:2]I know (or believe I know) that "will and testament" ... into a phrase? Also, what are other (especially Saxon/Norman) examples?[/nq]
[nq:1]I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong: devise and bequeath nook and cranny hue and cry goods and chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist[/nq]
Thanks! That's just the kind of lis
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[nq:1]Thanks! That's just the kind of list I was hoping for. I contest the inclusion of "needles and pins-a" (even though I appreciate the musical reference), since needles and pins are two different things.[/nq]
Needles and pins are not always different things. For instance, knitting needles (which in some dialects were called "knitting pins") are of the same form as pins.
Fran
Needles and pins are not always different things. For instance, knitting needles (which in some dialects were called "knitting pins") are of the same form as pins.
Fran
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[nq:2]I know (or believe I know) that "will and testament" ... into a phrase? Also, what are other (especially Saxon/Norman) examples?[/nq]
[nq:1]I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong: devise and bequeath nook and cranny hue and cry goods and chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist[/nq]
Quite often, IIRC, these things weren't originally synonyms,
[nq:1]I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong: devise and bequeath nook and cranny hue and cry goods and chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist[/nq]
Quite often, IIRC, these things weren't originally synonyms,
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[nq:1]I know (or believe I know) that "will and testament" is an example of Saxon and Norman equivalent terms that ... there a term for this type of joining of synonyms into a phrase? Also, what are other (especially Saxon/Norman) examples?[/nq]
I don't know about etymology, but I believe wills were used for immovable (real) property, which was devised, and testaments for immovable (personal)
I don't know about etymology, but I believe wills were used for immovable (real) property, which was devised, and testaments for immovable (personal)
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[nq:2]I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may ... chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist[/nq]
[nq:1]Thanks! That's just the kind of list I was hoping for. I contest the inclusion of "needles and pins-a" (even ... there is a term for this type of thing; there's a term for every other language construct, so why not?[/nq]
R
[nq:2]I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may ... chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist[/nq]
[nq:1]Thanks! That's just the kind of list I was hoping for. I contest the inclusion of "needles and pins-a" (even ... there is a term for this type of thing; there's a term for every other language construct, so why not?[/nq]
R
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[nq:1]I'm not checking all these for etymology so some may be wrong: devise and bequeath nook and cranny hue and cry goods and chattels null and void needles and pins-a cease and desist[/nq]
Pray and beseech. There are quite a few in the Book of Common Prayer.
Katy
Pray and beseech. There are quite a few in the Book of Common Prayer.
Katy
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[nq:2]goods and chattels cease and desist[/nq]
[nq:1]Thanks! That's just the kind of list I was hoping for. I contest the inclusion of "needles and pins-a" (even though I appreciate the musical reference), since needles and pins are two different things.[/nq]
So are goods and chattels, I believe.
Katy
[nq:1]Thanks! That's just the kind of list I was hoping for. I contest the inclusion of "needles and pins-a" (even though I appreciate the musical reference), since needles and pins are two different things.[/nq]
So are goods and chattels, I believe.
Katy
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