English translation of "hors concourse"

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At horse show competitions, sometimes an entry is allowed "hors concourse". In practical terms this means that the entry competes like all other entries, scores are made, etc. but when the scores are totaled to place the class, the HC entry is not counted and doesn't receive a placing or ribbon. HC entries are allowed in situations where the entry would otherwise not be permitted to show (e.g. the rider is related to the judge), which allows the entry to get show experience and see how they would have placed against the other participants, but eliminates the judging conflict of interest.

I need a short (2-3 words) English translation/definition for this term as well as the literal French translation (except competition?). Google and dictionary.com didn't produce anything useful.

Thanks!
jc

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[nq:1]At horse show competitions, sometimes an entry is allowed "hors concourse". In practical terms this means that the entry competes ... translation/definition for this term as well as the literal French translation (except competition?). Google and dictionary.com didn't produce anything useful.[/nq]
How about "without competing", or "outside the competition"?

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[nq:2]At horse show competitions, sometimes an entry is allowed "hors ... translation (except competition?). Google and dictionary.com didn't produce anything useful.[/nq]
[nq:1]How about "without competing", or "outside the competition"?[/nq]
"Out of the competition" is pretty close. I might add that the word "concourse" doesn't occur in French. It would be "concours".

Don
Kansas City

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[nq:1]At horse show competitions, sometimes an entry is allowed "hors concourse".[/nq]
Are you sure about this? See below.
[nq:1]In practical terms this means that the entry competes like all other entries, scores are made, etc. but when the ... need a short (2-3 words) English translation/definition for this term > as well as the literal French translation (except competition?).[/nq]
The translation to English is (surprise!) 'hors concours' (no final 'e'). (OED2)
[nq:2]hors concours, adv.(Or kO~kur) (Fr.)[/nq]
Not competing; hence, without a rival; unequalled.
1884 Tablet LXIII. 804/2 A work such as ... would, were it shown inthe Salon, range him Hors Concours.

1931 Times Lit. Suppl. 7 May 353/3 Dickens and Wilkie Collins wereregarded as hors-concours; Trollope, however, he despised.
1941 V. Nabokov Real Life S. Knight (1945) xvi. 138 Most husbands arefools, but that one was hors concours.

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In the wonderful world of lutherie (another french loan-word), "hors concours" refers to a category of competitors who have won so many previous competitions that they are no longer permitted to be "in the running" for prizes. The idea, as above, is that their reputation is such that it would not be enhanced by further awards.

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[nq:2]Are you sure about this? See below. The translation to ... Most husbands are fools, but that one was hors concours.[/nq]
[nq:1]In the wonderful world of lutherie (another french loan-word), "hors concours" refers to a category of competitors who have won ... for prizes. The idea, as above, is that their reputation is such that itwould not be enhanced by further awards.[/nq]
In orienteering (where it's common to run outside one's class), and some other sports, such entries are called "non-competitive".

Adrian

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[nq:1]The translation to English is (surprise!) 'hors concours' (no final'e').[/nq]
D'oh! thanks everyone for the correct spelling.
jc

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[nq:2]Are you sure about this? See below. The translation to ... Most husbands are fools, but that one was hors concours.[/nq]
[nq:1]In the wonderful world of lutherie (another french loan-word), "hors concours" refers to a category of competitors who have won ... prizes. The idea, as above, is that their reputation is such that it would not be enhanced by further awards.[/nq]
French 'hors-concours' doesn't have the connotation of 'above all others'.
It may even mean being out because of a disqualification.

Or another possibility:
some amateurs may be asked to participate 'hors-concours' in a professional tournament.
Best,
Jan

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[nq:2]I need a short (2-3 words) English translation/definition for this ... competition?). Google and dictionary.com didn't produce anything useful. Thanks! jc[/nq]
[nq:1]It's 'hors de concours' and means non-competing. Use English.[/nq]
Indeed.
While 'hors de concours' is possible in French,
in combination with 'mettre, mis' (being put out)
the more usual French form is 'hors concours',
or 'hors-concours', for the state of being out.
Jan

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[nq:1]At horse show competitions, sometimes an entry is allowed "hors concours". . . . I need a short (2-3 words) English translation/definition for this term as well as the literal French translation (except competition?).[/nq]
1. As posts show, hors concours = non-competing(for any of several reasons) and the phrase seems
to have originated in horse racing.

2. A parallel English phrase from sports is "out ofplay" as used in cricket, soccer, rugby etc. i.e. this differs in nuance from hors concours.

Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

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