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American pronunciation of T
Is there a published account, or can our left-pondian cousins tell us, any rules that they follow in the pronunciation, or not, of the letter T?
I note in particular the absence of T in such words as "internet (innrnet), the modification to D in words such as "water (wodr)".
This is not a wind-up, or a criticism, but a serious question. I suspect that many left-pondians are not even conscious of this modification in the same way that right-pondians may be unconscious of glottal stops and other regular pronunciation irregularities.
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I note in particular the absence of T in such words as "internet (innrnet), the modification to D in words such as "water (wodr)".
This is not a wind-up, or a criticism, but a serious question. I suspect that many left-pondians are not even conscious of this modification in the same way that right-pondians may be unconscious of glottal stops and other regular pronunciation irregularities.
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[nq:1]Is there a published account, or can our left-pondian cousins tell us, any rules that they follow in the pronunciation, ... [/nq] You'll also find that "modification to D" (an 'alveolar tap' or 'flap', as it's more accurately known) in accents from Northern Ireland, too. It's not a purely US thing.
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[nq:1]Is there a published account, or can our left-pondian cousins tell us, any rules that they follow in the pronunciation, ... of this modification in the same way that right-pondians may be unconscious of glottal stops and other regular pronunciation irregularities.[/nq]
You'll also find that "modification to D" (an 'alveolar tap' or 'flap', as it's more accurately known) in accents from N
You'll also find that "modification to D" (an 'alveolar tap' or 'flap', as it's more accurately known) in accents from N
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[nq:1]Is there a published account, or can our left-pondian cousins tell us, any rules that they follow in the pronunciation, ... of this modification in the same way that right-pondians may be unconscious of glottal stops and other regular pronunciation irregularities.[/nq]
T? You can have any pronunciation you like as long as it's black ...
John Dean
Oxford
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T? You can have any pronunciation you like as long as it's black ...
John Dean
Oxford
De-frag to reply
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[nq:2]Is there a published account, or can our left-pondian cousins ... be unconscious of glottal stops and other regular pronunciation irregularities.[/nq]
[nq:1]You'll also find that "modification to D" (an 'alveolar tap' or 'flap', as it's more accurately known) in accents from Northern Ireland, too. It's not a purely US thing.[/nq]
Yes, there are all sorts of modifications in different
[nq:1]You'll also find that "modification to D" (an 'alveolar tap' or 'flap', as it's more accurately known) in accents from Northern Ireland, too. It's not a purely US thing.[/nq]
Yes, there are all sorts of modifications in different
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Well, yeah. That *IS* what makes a (t) a (t) and not a (d). But the fact that you have a vowel and then a voiceless stop (which, by nature of its production, does not last that long) followed immediately by another vowel affects the pure voicelessness of that consonant, sort of blurring the lines between where you should stop voicing the vowel, produce that brief stop, then resume voicing for the
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Many thanks for your additions and explanations below. It is getting nearer to it I feel, though I hope some others can refine these "rules" further.
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[nq:1]Many thanks for your additions and explanations below. [/nq]
Americans can pronounce a "t" as a flap when it is between two vowels and the stress is on the FORMER vowel. Batter. Patty.
But NOT when the stress is on the latter vowel.
Deter. Atone.
If the following, unstressed vowel is nasalized, then /t/ stays /t/.
Patent /p&tnt/. Eatin' (itn) (but: eating (idIN)). In
Americans can pronounce a "t" as a flap when it is between two vowels and the stress is on the FORMER vowel. Batter. Patty.
But NOT when the stress is on the latter vowel.
Deter. Atone.
If the following, unstressed vowel is nasalized, then /t/ stays /t/.
Patent /p&tnt/. Eatin' (itn) (but: eating (idIN)). In
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[nq:2]Many thanks for your additions and explanations below. [/nq]
[nq:1]Americans can pronounce a "t" as a flap when it is between two vowels and the stress is on the ... often heard /Impord@nt/. Especially from speakers from Florida and Georgia, but elsewhere as well. I think it is spreading generally.[/nq]
STS warning?
And it is so amazing, really, that children raised singing about
[nq:1]Americans can pronounce a "t" as a flap when it is between two vowels and the stress is on the ... often heard /Impord@nt/. Especially from speakers from Florida and Georgia, but elsewhere as well. I think it is spreading generally.[/nq]
STS warning?
And it is so amazing, really, that children raised singing about
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[nq:2]T? You can have any pronunciation you like as long ... Dean Oxford De-frag to reply What? Sorry, I don't follow.[/nq]
I assume you wrote the last line, frank, even if you did manage to make it look like a post-sig part of John's posting.
John was alluding to Henry Ford's famous retort when asked what colors the Model T came in. Had you googled on "as long as it's black" you coul
I assume you wrote the last line, frank, even if you did manage to make it look like a post-sig part of John's posting.
John was alluding to Henry Ford's famous retort when asked what colors the Model T came in. Had you googled on "as long as it's black" you coul
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[nq:1]I assume you wrote the last line, frank, even if you did manage to make it look like a post-sig ... long as it's black" you could have discovered that in less time than it has taken me to write this.[/nq]
What really puzzled me about John's comment was if I invite him around for afternoon tea (you never know), should I word it as "afternoon black"? or just make sure the tea is milk-less?
What really puzzled me about John's comment was if I invite him around for afternoon tea (you never know), should I word it as "afternoon black"? or just make sure the tea is milk-less?
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