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Usenet Posted 23 years ago
Usage

A relative adverbial non-defining clause

When not at work I remembered last Friday, when I was at work.

Or is it? Comma dubious, btw.
R.
  

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[/nq] I remembered this morning when I had amnesia. Daniel.

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[nq:1]When not at work I remembered last Friday, when I was at work.[/nq]
I remembered this morning when I had amnesia.
Daniel.
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[nq:1]When not at work I remembered last Friday, when I was at work. Or is it? Comma dubious, btw. R.[/nq]
Some sentences are so bad they should not be pounctuated, but interred.
Carter Jefferson
http://carterj.homestead.com/
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[nq:2]When not at work I remembered last Friday, when I was at work.[/nq]
[nq:1]Some sentences are so bad they should not be pounctuated, but interred.[/nq]
It is inelegant. But the point is not to produce a beautiful sentence, but to demonstrate the existence of a certain class of subordinate clauses that some seem suggest may not even exist. Although this
example is contrived, I have
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I'm posting this to sci.lang as well as alt.english.usage because I would appreciate the comments of professional linguists. They are a group of people who, I suspect, will be more likely to come up with a convincing
counterargument should I be wrong.
Here is an example of a clause that, I hope, contains a relative clause introduced by `when'.
I shall mention last year, when he talked
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[nq:1]I'm posting this to sci.lang as well as alt.english.usage because I would appreciate the comments of professional linguists. They are ... I be wrong. Here is an example of a clause that, I hope, contains a relative clause introduced by `when'.[/nq]
Does someone claim it isn't one?
[nq:1]I shall mention last year, when he talked sense. The sub-clause is kind of clause described by L.
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Subject to some qualifications, and assuming "non-defining" means "non-restrictive", I agree with 1), 2), and 3). The qualifications are: a) the when-clause is not subordinate, since non-restrictive relative clauses in general are not subordinate; b) it goes with the noun phrase (not noun) "last year", but it doesn't modify it. (In SPHE2, McCawley discusses both these matters.)
Greg Lee (Emai
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[nq:1]I'm posting this to sci.lang as well as alt.english.usage because I would appreciate the comments of professional linguists. They are ... not contain a non-defining relative clause in `when', please feel free to mention it. My justification of the claim follows:[/nq]
[nq:1]3) The when-clause is not adverbial. That is, it does not modify or qualify the main clause verb. [/nq]
Let us l
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[nq:1]I'm posting this to sci.lang as well as alt.english.usage because I would appreciate the comments of professional linguists. They are ... in the sense that it provides extra detail about it. I admit that that is not a fully formal explanation.[/nq]
This doesn't distinguish it from other NP-internal modifying phrases. e.g., "The concert (at five o'clock) was cancelled."
[nq:1]2) It do
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[nq:1]Does someone claim it isn't one?[/nq]
The claim is that these clauses are `elusive and doubtful'. If a Professor of Linguistics could not find one, I would be surprised to come across one myself. So I suspect I'm in error.

The words `elusive and doubtful' almost, but not quite, suggest that this kind of clause does not exist.
[nq:1]Of what kind?[/nq]
(Clauses) of the kin